mGlottalstop
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Post by mGlottalstop on Jun 30, 2006 11:56:20 GMT -5
Willow's hatred of Warren runs beyond vengence. We're talking about a guy who ruined Willow's life. He shot her best friend, killed her girlfriend, tried on numerous occations to defeat the Slayerettes... Anya only copes with Vengence, thats why she was unable to go to Willow during the end of Season 6, she wanted to do it alone...
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Post by cyclica on Jun 30, 2006 13:05:33 GMT -5
Plus willow doesn't actually like anya, she doesn't want to owe anya anything.
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Post by partcynic on Jun 30, 2006 14:02:38 GMT -5
Willow's hatred of Warren runs beyond vengence. We're talking about a guy who ruined Willow's life. He shot her best friend, killed her girlfriend, tried on numerous occations to defeat the Slayerettes... Anya only copes with Vengence, thats why she was unable to go to Willow during the end of Season 6, she wanted to do it alone... That excuse on the show was embarrassing enough, I don't think it really stands here. The only reason the writers utilised it was because they wanted to have Dark Willow, and hadn't bothered to figure out the plot issues. There's no real reason why Willow wouldn't make a wish that would a) bring back the love of her life b) get rid of all her torture/murder guilt c)save/protect all of her friends both from Warren and her own dark magic attack. The 'it runs beyond vengeance' schtick is purely a plot excuse, and nothing more. Also, I don't see why Willow would have a problem with 'owing' Anya anything, they should have gotten past the childish argument stage. And Anya would be happy to erase Warren since it would alter Andrew's history and likely damage his 'relationship' with Xander, whom she also wants to hurt.
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Post by cyclica on Jun 30, 2006 14:15:38 GMT -5
I would have hoped willow and anya would have got past petty differences too. But they didn't; in s7 willow seemed willing to kill anya just to feed spike (or maybe it was a joke, either way they are hardly best friends).
And I know that anya can change history, but I doubt she can bring tara back to life directly. Anya is more into wishes that cause pain.
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Post by partcynic on Jun 30, 2006 14:28:06 GMT -5
Well, erasing Warren isn't the same as bringing Tara back directly, as one causes the other. And if Anya can rewrite history by making it so that Buffy never came to Sunnydale, she could easily eliminate Warren. And even if Willow didn't like Anya, if she truly loved Tara to the extent of wanting to destroy the world and attack and kill her friends because she'd died, their past history means nothing. If you really love someone with all your being (like Willow was supposed to love Tara), nothing would be a barrier to bringing them back (anyone wanting to bring up the truly lame 'Tara died differently' excuse here from Villains need not apply, since it made no sense then and would not now). However, I will stress that this is not something I'm saying must be dealt with, but it stands as a pointer that you have to watch the characters' powers. If ME couldn't handle Willow and Anya properly, it will be hard enough for us, and introducing new all-powerful characters on a whim (or in order to force the plot in a direction you want) is not really fair. This should primarily be about having fun, but I think it's also crucial to respect the established histories of the characters and universe in order to make it work. There are numerous issues left from S6 that characters need to deal with (Tara's death/the Buffy resurrection fiasco/the Xanya breakup), and these all need to be dealt with believably. They're boundaries, but establishing and following rules makes the RP more enjoyable and interesting for everyone.
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Post by cyclica on Jun 30, 2006 14:36:42 GMT -5
However, I will stress that this is not something I'm saying must be dealt with, but it stands as a pointer that you have to watch the characters' powers. If ME couldn't handle Willow and Anya properly, it will be hard enough for us, and introducing new all-powerful characters on a whim (or in order to force the plot in a direction you want) is not really fair. This should primarily be about having fun, but I think it's also crucial to respect the established histories of the characters and universe in order to make it work. There are numerous issues left from S6 that characters need to deal with (Tara's death/the Buffy resurrection fiasco/the Xanya breakup), and these all need to be dealt with believably. They're boundaries, but establishing and following rules makes the RP more enjoyable and interesting for everyone. I agree. But it can be hard when some stuff on the show contradicts other stuff on the show.
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Post by partcynic on Jun 30, 2006 14:42:24 GMT -5
Yep, that's very true. It will be interesting to see what you let Anya get up to. I'm working on chopping down Willow's powers, hopefully it'll make the storylines more interesting by stopping her from snapping her fingers and solving everyone's problems.
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Post by twoshells on Jul 1, 2006 0:46:12 GMT -5
Willow's hatred of Warren runs beyond vengence. We're talking about a guy who ruined Willow's life. He shot her best friend, killed her girlfriend, tried on numerous occations to defeat the Slayerettes... Anya only copes with Vengence, thats why she was unable to go to Willow during the end of Season 6, she wanted to do it alone... That excuse on the show was embarrassing enough, I don't think it really stands here. The only reason the writers utilised it was because they wanted to have Dark Willow, and hadn't bothered to figure out the plot issues. There's no real reason why Willow wouldn't make a wish that would a) bring back the love of her life b) get rid of all her torture/murder guilt c)save/protect all of her friends both from Warren and her own dark magic attack. The 'it runs beyond vengeance' schtick is purely a plot excuse, and nothing more. Also, I don't see why Willow would have a problem with 'owing' Anya anything, they should have gotten past the childish argument stage. And Anya would be happy to erase Warren since it would alter Andrew's history and likely damage his 'relationship' with Xander, whom she also wants to hurt. I just want to say, THANK YOU for endorsing the Xandrew phenomina! I mean I really don't think there was anything really implied in the show more than a simple crush, but I really do think it's great that you mentioned Xandrew... Laughed my ass off at work here... LOL
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mGlottalstop
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Post by mGlottalstop on Jul 1, 2006 3:05:29 GMT -5
Good point...
I stand corrected *Bows*
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