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Post by Clare on Jun 25, 2005 10:59:34 GMT -5
Who do you think was the best season villain and why...  |
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Post by Clare on Jun 25, 2005 11:05:44 GMT -5
I picked Glory (season 5) as i think she was stronger than Buffy and she never seemed to ever really be injured!  It took Giles to kill Ben to stop Glory from being able to live in this world!! I just thought that Glory was cool and i loved the way she would get weak if she hadnt fed off a humans mind for a while - i also loved her fashion sense!!  |
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Post by truelycharmedfan on Jun 25, 2005 11:31:46 GMT -5
i picked the first because he was really hard 2 beat but i think dat glory was hard 2
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Post by jennf10 on Jun 25, 2005 17:48:22 GMT -5
I picked Spike, Dru and Angel. This was emotional for Buffy. Personal. Killing Angel was still one of the hardest things she ever had to do.
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Post by badslayer on Jul 7, 2005 11:13:19 GMT -5
Glory was the best. Clare Kramer played her so well and she was an untypical villian but there was something really evil about her. Also, the fact that she was much stronger than a Slayer and the fact that Buffy couldn't/didn't defeat her made technically the most dangerous villain.
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Post by jennf10 on Jul 7, 2005 17:14:00 GMT -5
And don't forget the fact that Glory was crazy! Good fun for all!
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Post by Clare on Jul 16, 2005 10:09:41 GMT -5
Did Glory appear in Angel??
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Post by cyclica on Jul 16, 2005 14:26:19 GMT -5
No glory was not on Angel...she was in season 5 of buffy and the first ep of season 7 only.
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Post by Clare on Jul 23, 2005 9:06:52 GMT -5
ok, well i must have heard wrong or something
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Post by Gloryboy on Oct 20, 2005 10:29:14 GMT -5
Who do you think was the best season villain and why... Its tough to choose because I loved most of them. But my name alone probably gives away my choice. I choose Glory. Really, most of the big villains were great. I loved the Master, Angelus, the Mayor and Glory. Even Adam was okay though he wasn't there enough. I didn't care much for the First Evil but he was alright and I suppose its arguable whether the Trio or Evil Willow was really the big villain of season 6. But I have to say Glorificus. The Master and the Mayor were both very funny and so was Glory. I would have to say they were about equal for laughs. I'll even admit the Mayor had a pathos that beat everybody because he was still human and could love. But Glory was a goddess. She was beautiful and funny and charming and ruthless and undoubtedly the most powerful villain Buffy ever faced, even more powerful than the First because the First could not directly effect anything. It could only talk and give someone else as much of its power as they could hold. Caleb could hold more of the First's power than anyone else could and even he could not have stood against Glory. |
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Post by partcynic on Oct 20, 2005 16:50:05 GMT -5
My vote went to the Mayor; with Angelus a close second. Between the Mayor's germ-phobia, genuine maliciousness and tenderness towards Faith, it's hard not to see him as the best - he was evil, but delightfully so and someone you could enjoy watching - unlike the one dimensional, poorly thought out messes that were Adam, Glory and the First. Adam and Glory were passable (although Adam was underused, Glory way, way overused), but the First takes the biscuit for the worst thing ever. Two years later, I still have no idea why it did any of the things it did if all it wanted was to open the Hellmouth and unleash its army.
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Post by Gloryboy on Oct 20, 2005 22:37:11 GMT -5
but the First takes the biscuit for the worst thing ever. Two years later, I still have no idea why it did any of the things it did if all it wanted was to open the Hellmouth and unleash its army. Its motives seemed very vague and convoluted. I think it would have been better had Nathan Fillion been introduced earlier as Caleb (though I think he couldn't be because he was still doing 'Firefly' during the early part of the season). Then Caleb could have been fleshed out more and been treated as the Big Bad even if he did draw his power from the First. |
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Post by partcynic on Oct 21, 2005 13:13:53 GMT -5
Although it would have definitely been better to bring Caleb in much earlier, I think that S7 really needed to completely cut out the First as a villain. For her character development to be completed, Buffy needed to realise that having a black-and-white, humans=good/demons=bad mentality was severely damaging - not least because essentially evil beings have done great things for good (Spike in Intervention) while humans have done horrific things (Warren). What needed to happen was for Buffy to start working on a case-by-case basis, aiming to help each innocent person/good demon as she went along - and not waging some silly war against a mythical evil force.
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Post by cyclica on Oct 22, 2005 16:00:31 GMT -5
I agree that The First is the worst villain. It said it wanted to be 'in the hearts and minds of every man, woman and child' (or something like that), so how would it accomplish this with the ubervamp army anyway? And if it tried to get involved in buffy & angel's lives in amends, why did it wait 3 and a half years before showing up again?
I think joss wanted to put in the most powerful baddie he could think of (and realising he already had in s3, decided to re-use it) in the hopes that our expectations of an epic battle at the end would blind us to the mistakes and plot holes along the way; you are so busy thinking 'cool, the school imploded' you do not remember that most of the things the first did were not resolved or in the long run didn't seem to have any point.
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Post by Gloryboy on Oct 22, 2005 16:27:12 GMT -5
I think many of us agree on who the worst big bad was. There were the plot holes. There were the annoying inconsistencies. Buffy could do nothing but run from the ubervamp but then she suddenly seems completely confident she can defeat it and that confidence seems to be for no particular reason. She does then beat it. Same with Caleb. He starts out so powerful that Buffy cannot take even one punch from him. Then in their final battle, he hits her again and again and she can stand up to it, and again for no particular reason. This is way different than previous seasons. In seasons 4 and 5, the big bad seemed invincible and much of the fun was seeing how Buffy was going to become more powerful (season 4) or the villain was going to be reduced in power (season 5) so Buffy could win. But in season 7, there really is no explanation. Plus of course in the final battle the slightest graze seems to kill an ubervamp. My greatest dislike of season 7 though came from "The Mission is all that matters". That was so contradictory to everything Buffy had learned in the previous seasons. Plus the First Evil was built up as being far more than just another villain that could be defeated by finding the magic weapon and killing it. You had to look inside yourself and face your own fears to beat it. So it was doubly dissappointing after all that buildup when Buffy just found the magic weapon that would defeat it or its champion. I agree that The First is the worst villain. It said it wanted to be 'in the hearts and minds of every man, woman and child' (or something like that), so how would it accomplish this with the ubervamp army anyway? And if it tried to get involved in buffy & angel's lives in amends, why did it wait 3 and a half years before showing up again? I think joss wanted to put in the most powerful baddie he could think of (and realising he already had in s3, decided to re-use it) in the hopes that our expectations of an epic battle at the end would blind us to the mistakes and plot holes along the way; you are so busy thinking 'cool, the school imploded' you do not remember that most of the things the first did were not resolved or in the long run didn't seem to have any point. |
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